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Whose Justice? Which Rationality?
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Whose Justice? Which Rationality?
Alasdair C. MacIntyre
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Whose Justice? Which Rationality?, the sequel to After Virtue, is a persuasive argument of there not being rationality that is not the rationality of some tradition. MacIntyre examines the problems presented by the existence of rival traditions of inquiry in the cases of four major philosophers: Aristotle, Augustine, Aquinas, and Hume.

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3 out of 5 stars Slightly dull sequel to AFTER VIRTUE.......2003-04-18

This so-called sequel to After Virtue is heavier in both its abstruse argumentation, erudition and physical mass. In many ways, it lacks the excitement and provocative character of After Virtue, and its contents are much more specialized. One can feel this particularly in the heavy treatment of Homer, Aristotle and Plato, which is neck-deep in linguistic hairsplitting over the precise meanings of Greek words. For those readers with scant interest in the classics, the first part of the book, despite its many gems, tries one's patience.

The overarching thesis of the book is sound nonetheless. To give a very basic outline, MacIntyre traces several traditions, broadly being the predominant Hellenist and Christian ones, before moving on to establish liberalism as its own tradition. Not every philosopher is give exhaustive or detailed treatment. Aristotle, Plato, Augustine, Aquinas, and Hume are the real stars here. The Scottish Enlightenment is dwelt upon in much detail to explain Hume, so other important philosophical movements such as British Empiricism, German Idealism, etc. are marginalized. Despite these omissions [the book is long enough as it is], the central thesis coheres nicely and arrives at its conclusion in a most decisive manner.

Though MacIntyre's thesis that liberalism itself constitutes a tradition may seem tame, taken into proper perspective, it is actually quite revolutionary. Considering that modernity [à la Descartes] rejected all appeal to tradition and sought to construct a purely rational account of the human and his society and to, thereby, construct a utopian future applicable to all times and places, to claim that it is itself a traditional is a smack on the face that effectively historicizes the Enlightenment tradition. Therefore, justice and rationality-in other words what is proper action and what are the proper reasons for acting-must be understood through the historicized lens of the context of a specific tradition that any ethical discourse plugs into for its legitimacy.

The book concludes with a cogent discussion of the nature of traditions, their birth, evolution, death, and how we can understand the nature of our own beliefs as being a part of tradition. The key, determinant events in these narratives are `epistemological crises'. MacIntyre tries to makes the case that Thomism has hitherto best weathered the tests of time.

5 out of 5 stars A major work of contemporary philosophy.......2003-03-22

This is a review of _Whose Justice? Which Rationality?_ by Alasdair MacIntyre.

This is a very challenging book to read, but also one that will deepen your thinking about the world, whether you agree with it or not.

We largely take it for granted that (1) people disagree significantly about a wide range of issues related to ethics, and that (2) people do not agree about enough standards of rationality to resolve these ethical disagreements. MacIntyre puts this by saying that "logical incompatibility and incommensurability" both obtain (p. 351). What conclusion should we draw from these facts? One common response is relativism, which is roughly the view that the truth or falsity of a claim depends on the perspective from which it is evaluated. However, MacIntyre argues against relativism based on a brilliant reinterpretation of several major Western philosophical traditions.

The Western Englightenment (of which Descartes is paradigmatic), rejected appeals to tradition, canonical texts and authority, and attempted to put in their place the "appeal to principles undeniable by any rational person," and hence independent of culture, history, etc. "Yet both the thinkers of the Enlightenment and their successors proved unable to agree as to what precisely those principles were which could be found undeniable by all rational persons" (p. 6). Since the Enlightenment, most Western thinkers have either (1) continued to search for principles that are universally acceptable to all minimally rational humans (and continued to fail in this quest), or (2) given up on the quest for universal principles of reason, but -- paradoxically -- continued to assume the Enlightenment prejudice that any rational justification would have to be universal, ahistorical, and acultural.

MacIntyre suggests that neither approach has learned the lesson of the failure of the Enlightenment project, which is that any rational justification has to be parochial, historical and in a particular cultural context.

Since rational justification must be historical, the bearers of justification are not "theories" in the abstract, but embodied traditions. MacIntyre examines four sample traditions in this book (although he admits there are many more): the Aristotelian-Thomistic, the Augustinean, and those of the "Scottish Enlightenment" and modern liberalism.

Traditions like these can undergo "epistemological crises": situations in which a tradition, by its own standards, increasingly discloses "new inadequacies, hitherto unrecognized incoherences, and new problems for the solution of which there seem to be insufficient or no resources within the established fabric of belief" (p. 362). A tradition may find a way to survive such a crisis (as Thomas Aquinas helped Christianity to do by synthesizing Augustineanism and Aristotelianism), but it may also fail. And because the possibility of failure is there, relativism is false: a tradition can come to see that its claims are false even by its own standards.

Even if my tradition is not in an obvious crisis, I can realize that I have a rational justification for rejecting or modifying it. Suppose I am confronted with an alien intellectual tradition which is both incompatible and incommensurable with my own. Because the two are incompatible, I cannot simply agree with both traditions. But because of incommensurability, I cannot directly convince the adherents of the rival tradition that they are wrong (nor can they directly convince me). I can, however, learn to be "bilingual" in the two traditions. The Aristotelian can learn, for example, to "speak Confucian," as it were. Having done so, he occupies a special perspective, from which he may conclude that the Confucian worldview offers a superior interpretation of the strengths and weaknesses of his own tradition. Or he may conclude the opposite. Or he may conclude that some sort of synthesis is possible, which is superior to either one individually. For this reason also, relativism is not true, despite the fact that traditions are, when speaking one to the other, incommensurable: someone occupying one tradition *can* see that his views are fundamentally mistaken.

MacIntyre argues that, of the four traditions he considers in this book, three have entered inescapable epistemological crises, while one (the tradition of Thomas Aquinas) has answered all challenges so far. The bulk of the book is a history of the four traditions. If you want to get the outline of MacIntyre's view, I recommend chapters 1 (the intro), 7-8 (on Aristotle), 9 (on Augustine), 10-11 (on Aquinas's synthesis), 16 (on Hume), 17 (on liberalism), and 18-20 (MacIntyre's grand theory).

This is, of course, an easier book to read if you have read some previous philosophy (Thomas Kuhn's _The Structure of Scientific Revolutions_ is in the background of much of what MacIntyre says, even though he doesn't cite Kuhn very often), but a bright, motivated non-philosopher can read and greatly enjoy this book too.

4 out of 5 stars Almost more trouble than it was worth.......2000-07-11

Why in the world did MacIntyre feel that he needed to provide a sequel to After Virtue, his magnum opus? Well, as he states in his introduction, his moral system demands a fuller account of rationality and justice. He gives a detailed historical exposition of justice and rationality in Homeric Greece, Plato, and Aristotle then moving on to Augustine, Aquinas, and the Scottish Enlightenment. The retelling of each of these viewpoints' ideas on justice and rationality are lucid and breathtaking at times if you can stand MacIntyre's rather wordy writing style.

So how, in his mind, does his account of rationality and justice 'win?' It seems automatic to seek some purely objective standard by which to weigh the arguments of each of these specific systems, but as MacIntyre points out, the mere idea of a purely objective standard is deeply embedded in the Enlightenment tradition: a tradition which MacIntyre showed in "After Virtue" to be seriously flawed. Instead, the system first must be internally coherent but second, and more importantly, must overcome epistimological crises that it faces. A certain system gets into trouble if a rival system can better resolve the epistimological crises facing it. MacIntyre thinks that the Aristotelian tradition, especially as embedded in Thomism, 'wins' by this account. While the sense of victory is not as obvious as in After Virtue, I think that MacIntyre has a coherent and reasonably compelling argument in his favor.

This book can be read in isolation, but is best read after reading After Virtue, giving you a clearer idea of the problem that MacIntyre is addressing.

5 out of 5 stars Whose JusticeMWhich Rationality?.......2000-04-29

I,m not claer on the concepts of justice on this book of Macintyre .I need someone help me the clearity.Please!

5 out of 5 stars a pivotal work.......1999-05-19

In another cogent examination of contemporary moral philosophy, Alasdair MacIntyre examines moral philosophies from the perspective of their bases. He points out the critical need to remember which frame of thought we are speaking in.
After Virtue: A Study in Moral Theory, Third Edition
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After Virtue: A Study in Moral Theory, Third Edition
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"After Virtue is a striking work. It is clearly written and readable. The nonprofessional will find MacIntyre perspicuous and lively. He stands within the best modern traditions of writing on such matters." --New York Review of Books

"MacIntyre's arguments deserve to be taken seriously by anybody who thinks that the mere acceptance of pluralism is not the same thing as democracy, who worries about politicians wishing to give opinions about everything under the sun, and who stops to think of how important Aristotelian ethics have been for centuries." --The Economist

When After Virtue first appeared in 1981, it was recognized as a significant and potentially controversial critique of contemporary moral philosophy. Newsweek called it "a stunning new study of ethics by one of the foremost moral philosophers in the English-speaking world." Now, twenty-five years later, the University of Notre Dame Press is pleased to release the third edition of After Virtue, which includes a new prologue "After Virtue after a Quarter of a Century."

In this classic work, Alasdair MacIntyre examines the historical and conceptual roots of the idea of virtue, diagnoses the reasons for its absence in personal and public life, and offers a tentative proposal for its recovery. While the individual chapters are wide-ranging, once pieced together they comprise a penetrating and focused argument about the price of modernity. In the Third Edition prologue, MacIntyre revisits the central theses of the book and concludes that although he has learned a great deal and has supplemented and refined his theses and arguments in other works, he has "as yet found no reason for abandoning the major contentions" of this book. He remains "committed to the thesis that it is only from the standpoint of a very different tradition, one whose beliefs and presuppositions were articulated in their classical form by Aristotle, that we can understand both the genesis and the predicament of moral modernity."

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4 out of 5 stars The Enlightenment as perceived by a typical reactionary.......2007-05-03

In this Third Edition, MacIntyre remains "committed to the thesis that it is only from the standpoint of a very different tradition, one whose beliefs and presuppositions were articulated in their classical form by Aristotle, that we can understand both the genesis and the predicament of moral modernity."

This book is a sophistical attack on the alleged fruits of the historical epoc known as the Enlightenment. The Enlightenment: A Brief History with Documents (The Bedford Series in History and Culture) MacIntyre claims that the Enlightenment deprived European Civilization of "a rational basis for moral analysis." He pretends to find such a basis in what he calls "Classical Civilization."

Most people would agree that the qualtities of the Enlightenment provide the essential characteristics of Western Civilization, as that civilization is defined by Samuel P. Huntington The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order. MacIntyre's view of the Enlightenment is not so different from the view of the founder of the Muslem Brotherhood, Sayyid Qutb. Qutb hates Western Civilization. But, Qutb has no problem with Aristotle. Basic Principles of Islamic Worldview Remember, Aristotle was reintroduced to Europe by the Moslem scholar Ibn Rushd (Averroes: His Life, Work). His works had been treasured by Moslem scholars for centuries after having been discarded by Europe.

Europe, as can easily be seen by reference to Ceasar's "Gallic Wars" and his description of Vercingetorix and early Europeans, was different from Classical Civilization. The Gallic War (Loeb Classical Library) Europe took a different route.

Classic Civilization fled to Constantinople and was overwhelmed by the Ottomans in the course of becoming modern day Istanbul. The Emperor Romanus Lecapenus and his Reign: A Study of Tenth-Century Byzantium (Cambridge Paperback Library) When Europe rediscovered Classical Civilization, it provided an inspiration for thinking outside the box of the Dark Ages.

The works of the Classic Civilization were stimulating to a people locked within narrow Scholasticism of the Roman Church. The stimulation of a different point of view provoked Europeans to rethink the communitarian spirit of the Dark Ages and define for themselves a new reality based upon individualism and science. In doing so, they transcended both the Dark Ages and Classic Civilization. It was a synthesis that has been enormously productive up to the modern age.

Aristotle was not writing about individual freedom. He was writing about civic virtues. The primary civic virtue was participation in the affairs of state. Aristotle had no concept of individualism. In Aristotle's day, everyone existed to serve the city-state. By the same token, for Qutb (and sadly, MacIntyre), the individual only exists to serve the theocracy.

This book certainly represents a showcase of skills in the arts of rhetoric, philosophy, and ethical analysis. But, it is hardly of any use to modern man in trying to sort through the competing demands and opportunities of individual freedom. If we are willing to give up individualism in exchange for civic virtue as defined by the ancients, not only would we be living in a society much like an Islamic State ruled by Sharia Law, but we would be barring our children from a future in which mankind is able to survive by using the tools of science.

Our challenges are enormous. While "Civic Virtue" sounds like a concept on which no one could disagree, it is only found in its original form in a communitarian (or even totalitarian) environment. Plato's Republic, for example, was a totalitarian society. The Republic (Penguin Classics) If such a society were capable of solving basic problems like polution, then surely the U.S.S.R. might have avoided the wholesale destruction of it's own environment.

Our United States Constitution is the pre-eminent fruit of the Enlightenment. Only the scientific method, powered by the energy of the individual freedoms propounded in our wonderful Constitution can marshal the creativity necessary to work our way out of nature's trap. Otherwise, like a colony of bacteria in a petri dish, the human race will simply consume all its resources and die out.

The communitarians have nothing to offer us, other than the hope of being transported to a heaven located some where above the concentric crystaline spheres surrounding a world as it was thought to exist prior to Galileo. To this very day, Galileo has had no impact on their understanding of mankind's relationship to God. For Qtub and MacIntyre, it is still as if the "firmament" of concentric crystalline spheres holding the "lesser light to rule the night" were really up there, and as if a normal human body carried up into the clouds wouldn't need oxygen tanks to survive the lack of air.

Galileo was the prototype for the modern individual. He was persecuted by the communitarians. He lacked MacIntyre's civic virtue. He thought for himself. He started the scientific revolution and the Enlightenment. NOVA - Galileo's Battle for the Heavens

The communitarians, for thousands of years, had watched the moon go through its phases and never once realized that it was a sphere orbiting the earth, both of which were illuminated by a distant light. Brainwashing from birth, the power of prejudice and the shamanism of the religious leaders was so difficult to surmount that even Galileo had to observe moons orbiting Jupiter before he realized God's truth about our solar system. It was a truth that was not revealed in any of the communitarian "Holy Scriptures."

Until the rise of the individual as exemplified in the Enlightenment, it never occurred to anyone to wonder why writing supposedly authored by God did not include a simple explanation of [...] the relationship between the Moon, Earth and Sun - a truth that could easily have been understood by any keen and unbiased observer by mere observation of the phases of the Moon.

If God were actually the author of these "inerrant" scriptures, He would surely have wanted us to share His pride in the simple grandeur of His solar system. Perhaps there were those who understood God's message in the phases of the Moon, but in every age they were surpressed and persecuted for their individualism. Imagine living in a world where the truth of God must be suppressed for the sake of the prejudices of the community.

The Dark Ages of Europe were terrible. Death by plagues and warlords were the norm. Life was nasty, brutish, and short. Think of the difference the Enlightenment made. Without the ability to think "outside the box" for example, would society have adopted a means to end recurring small pox epidemics? What a terrible world it would be today but for the Enlightenment.

So, MacIntyre has written a superb example of rhetoric, but it is only the highest example of the rhetoric of reaction described by Albert O. Hirschman in his groundbreaking work: "The Rhetoric of Reaction: Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy." The Rhetoric of Reaction: Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy Anyone who is required to read MacIntyre for school would do himself a favor by reading Hirschman in advance. By doing so, one would avoid being seduced by the siren song of communitarian conformity. By reading Hirschman in advance, one would recognize that, for all his erudition and scholastic ability, MacIntyre is only following well established patterns in reactionary thought.

Just like Sayyid Qutb, [...] Bin Laden, the followers of Wahhabism, or even Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, MacIntyre despises our Western Civilization because of the disorder caused by our freedom to think outside the communitarian box. We can't return to the age of Saladin, the Knights Templar, or the Greek Hoplite Warrior. We wouldn't want to even if we could. For 99% of mankind in those days, life was nasty, brutish, and short.

Most American reactionaries are working day and night to return America to the world of the 1890's. It is astonishing to find one who is obsessed with returning the world to the 14th century. But, it seems to be the fashion among Holy Warriors these days.

Because this book is such an extraordinary example of the art of rhetoric, I give it four stars. For it's ability to contribute anything meaningful to the solutions of the problems of our age, it would be worthy of only one star.
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    Edith Stein lived an unconventional life. Born into a devout Jewish family, she drifted into atheism in her mid teens, took up the study of philosophy, studied with Edmund Husserl, the founder of phenomenology, became a pioneer in the women's movement in Germany, a military nurse in World War I, converted from atheism to Catholic Christianity, became a Carmelite nun, was murdered at Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942, and canonized by Pope John Paul II. Renowned philosopher Alasdair MacIntyre here presents a fascinating account of Edith Stein's formative development as a philosopher.
    Dependent Rational Animals: Why Human Beings Need the Virtues
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    To flourish, humans need to develop the virtues of independent thought and acknowledged social dependence. Based on his 1997 Carus Lectures to the American Philosophical Association, this book presents noted scholar Alasdair MacIntyre's comparison of humans to other intelligent animals, especially dolphins, and his exploration of the impact of these virtues, particularly on our treatment of the disabled.

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    5 out of 5 stars Philosophical account for the need of virtues as to animals and humans.......2006-11-22

    Alasdair Macintire, well known for several renowned philosophical books, for example "After virtue". He is an authority on the issue of virtues and Aristotelian philosophy, where virtue plays an inmportant role. What is striking about this book however, is that recent research done on dolphins, chimpanzees and other intelligent nonhuman animals, has been taken notice of by the author. This includes self consciousness and rationality. He, in an excellent way, made these insights philsophically relevant In his previous works he has never made much about animal existence. Now for the first time he meaningfully incorporated new scientific insights on intelligent and rational animals in his thinking on virtues. This indeed a gain in thinking on animal (and human) existence. He does not hesitate to put his views forward. For those who are interested in philosophy and animal issues,this book will be an great asset.

    In the second half of the book he also addresses the issue of dependence on and the need for virtues in human social life. Amonst many other things , he explains why neither the state nor the family would be primarily normative, why virtues guide us, but are not rigid rules. While he regards emotions as as important, his wisdom namely "Sentiment , unguided by reason , becomes sentimentalism and sentimantality is a sign of moral failure" (p124)is most relevant today;This surely applies to our making sense of both human and nonhuman animal exsistence.

    In a time where the killing and possible extinction of whales dolphins,chimpanzess orang utangs by human ignorance, arrogance and error as well as and certain environmental problems, and where people are looking for moral answers, this book indeed tells us why humans need virtues. The book itself fulfill in a contemporary need.

    4 out of 5 stars Unflinching attempt to address fundamental questions.......2003-03-07

    Many virtue theorists seem to think it enough to say that "qua humans" we should flourish, and that figuring out how to flourish "just is" what practical reasoning is, and hence that virtue is intrinsic to being human in about the same way that having roots is intrinsic to being a tree, and that those of us who fail to "see" that are somehow irrational in wanting some further argument. They skip blithely over the obvious fact that much reasoning that seems quite practical and wildly successful seems rather less than virtuous. MacIntyre indulges in no such self-satisfied question-begging. Whatever else is to be said for MacIntyre's "Dependent Rational Animals," he displays the virtue of engaging directly and forthrightly the hard questions that unsympathetic or unconvinced souls would pose for his position.

    The way he argues that we need the virtues is quite startling in originality. Generally, ethicists take as their standard the autonomous, self-sufficient reasoner--where "reason" means something like "able to give a logically defensible verbal justification," usually in terms of some sort of universal rule. MacIntyre sees this as a mistake. The question, he thinks, is how any of us ever come to be independent practical reasoners and what it means to be such. We must, he thinks, understand that "reasons to act" have little to do with our linguistic ability or capacity to display verbally a syllogism that concludes with the action in question. Rather, "reasons to act" are more concrete, pragmatic, and instrumental.
    Thus, we can say that intelligent animals act with reasons, despite having no language, if their actions are clearly aimed at ends, especially if it is clear that they choose their instrumental acts on the basis of perceptions of the current environment.

    *Human practical resoning* begins in this aspect of our animal nature--our ability to learn in practice what we need to do in order to accomplish the things we need to accomplish if we are to flourish. Note that the issue here is learning in practice, and identifying correctly through our practice what we find to be needful for our flourishing. Reason, then, is grounded in the practice of flourishing.

    And rather than look at "autonomous" adults, MacIntyre points out the obvious fact, usually overlooked by ethical theorists, that we are actually always dependent on each other in myriad ways. Our mutual dependency dictates that we need communities of giving and receiving various things--including education, formal and otherwise--not only to flourish but to be able to know, and reason, about flourishing. Without the virtues, the conditions for practical reasoning *at all* cannot exist.

    The argument, then, is that our animality and dependency dictate what constitutes both flourishing and practical reason about flourishing, and that we can demonstrate that the virtues are necessary for being independent practical reasoners who flourish.

    Rather, that's the strategy of the argument. The argument itself is, of course, much more involved. In its entirety, does it work? I'm not sure. I don''t know that everyone would agree with his axiomatic/unargued starting point, that to flourish requires us to be independent rational thinkers, even in the sense of "rational" he's spelled out here. We of democratic mien see thing that way, of course--but so far as I know, MacIntyre doesn't provide an argument for the overriding necessity of independence.

    A couple of things are troubling--his apparent reliance on D.W. Winnicott's psychoanalytic account of child development, for instance. I'm not sure whether it really matters--so long as one accepts the notion that persons cannot develop into independent rational thinkers without the support of others, MacIntyre's affinity for Winnicott can be seen as a personal quirk, I think.

    But that does lead to one perplexity: a lot of what MacIntyre says about the necessities of human life--matters of our dependence--is empirical, in a fairly straightforward sense, more than philosophical. Does this matter? It seems so to me. At least some of his argument turns on empirical claims about conditions for human flourishing for which he provides no argument or evidence.

    Finally, MacIntyre sees current society as more or less beyond the pale ethically--according to him, neither our families nor our nation states promote virtue or independent practical rationality of the sort he has spelled out. One could conclude, of course, that we live in vicious ands heathen times, so to speak--and perhaps we do. Or one could wonder whether MacIntyre's empirical claims, and the philosophical argument he bases upon them, may not have more to do with his tastes than with the conditions of human flourishing. Is it really so obvious that in our culture we fail to flourish? Taken from the perspective of human history, our developed nation states have a few things going for them that resemble flourishing: the highest levels of material welfare, more equitably spread (in spite of the great distance we have to go in achieving equality); the most widespread education and highest rates of literacy; the lowest rates of infant mortality; the longest life spans; the greatest emphasis on human rights, including for women and minoeriites; the easiest access by non-elites to the arts; the cheapest books (relative to per capita income); the most efficient (if not yet ideal) institutions for international consultation and cooperation, and . . .

    I like MacIntyre''s version of how life ought to be. I recommend reading the book. But I suggest that one not fail to note that his empirical claims are less than obviously true, while some empirical facts about our flourishing seem to have escaped his notice--or at least been given less weight than many folks would give them.

    One other thing: This book is badly written. Never mind the needlessly poor sentence structure in which he so often indulges (and he obviously knows better, since he often writes clearly). But the structure of the argument and its exposition is generally less than transparent. (The reviewer who thought first that MacIntyre had gone soft reflects this fact.) For instance, on page 107, he tells us there are two ways that a certain thing is important, then spends twelve pages discussing the first--without ever getting around to identifying the second, so far as I can discern. That sort of sloppiness is not unusual in the book. Do you think maybe one of the minor virtues, one of the small obligations owed by people who write books for which they ask our money, is that they not be lazy about how they express themselves?

    5 out of 5 stars Okay, so I was wrong.......2001-02-20

    I take back my previous review, in which I speculated that MacIntyre had "gone soft." On second and third reading, this is just a wonderful book - a welcome return to ambitious Aristotelian naturalism in ethics. So much better than "After Virtue".

    4 out of 5 stars Has MacIntyre gone soft?.......2000-03-16

    This book is more moving than it is carefully argued. There's lots of unsupported assertion, and the detailed account of our need for the virtues is full of holes. But the approach is an attractive one. And this is a book of philosophical ethics that betrays a real concern for our frailties. Unlike a lot of dry philosophy, you get the sense that ethics really matters.

    5 out of 5 stars MacIntyre's project is starting to produce results........1999-06-29

    For years the knock on MacIntyre was that his devastating critique of modernity left nothing standing, with the unintended result that the central question of _After Virtue_ ("Nietzsche or Aristotle?") ultimately cut against Aristotle.

    _Dependent Rational Animals_ presents a positive account of practical rationality against the background of an understanding of human nature on which we are first of all animals -- and thus always vulnerable -- and often (some of us always) disabled. This leads MacIntyre to distinguish what he calls the "virtues of acknowledged dependence" from the more widely recognized "virtues of independent practical reasoners".

    This book, an expanded series of lectures, is quite easy to read, especially when it focuses on such lively questions as whether dolphins and chimpanzees have beliefs and intentions, or why we have obligations to those thoroughly dependent human beings who will never develop into autonomous agents.

    I've long thought _After Virtue_ was the best introduction to MacIntyre, but I now suspect _Dependent Rational Animals_ may be the way to go. That way, one can begin with his positive account, and locate the critique in relation to it.
    A Short History of Ethics: A History of Moral Philosophy from the Homeric Age to the Twentieth Century
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    A Short History of Ethics: A History of Moral Philosophy from the Homeric Age to the Twentieth Century
    Alasdair C. MacIntyre
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    A Short History of Ethics is a significant contribution written by one of the most important living philosophers. For the second edition Alasdair MacIntyre has included a new preface in which he examines his book "thirty years on" and considers its impact. It remains an important work, ideal for all students interested in ethics and morality.

    "The second edition of this classic will be more widely read than the first, one expects, if only because in the intervening three decades the author has become perhaps the most important moral philosopher in the English-speaking world." —First Things

    "This brilliant and provocative book is not so much a history of ethics as it is an essay about the history of ethics, with numerous examples. . . ." —Philosophical Review

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    5 out of 5 stars Excellent introduction.......2007-01-29

    I was always in a certain kind of doubt when it was asked of me to recommend one or the other of numerous histories of philosophy. They are not your ordinary texts, which you can browse about in your leasure time. They often require some thinking to really grasp what author had in mind and where does he stand at all. After all history of philosophy is elusive subject even to profficient ones. Looking back, in something less than seven thousand years of culture as we know it (it began with emergence of Summerian epos - Gilgamesh), one finds himself before wast ammount of data, to put it that way. When faced with them, one feels compelled to escape in any direction avaliable to him.

    But neverthelles, something drives you to continue your studies, to learn and feed upon knowledge of others, to live in times long forgotten and to think an re-think thought again and again. But without that initial spark which puts great flames in motion all would be in vain. MacIntyre book is one that feeds that flame, helping it to grow.

    If one really wants to understand key questions of ethics and how, at the first place they came to be, one should start with MacIntyre. You won't find your asnwers listed here, rather contrary, MacIntyre, in his almost positivistic scepticism, states many pro et contra arguments for theories presented in his book, that reader finds himself confused on many occasions. But precisely that kind of expose is what drives one to continue searching and to complete questions posed by MAcIntyre. A task that takes whole lifetime and more.

    In the end I have to mention that ethics described here concernes itself mostly with western ethics and ethical thought. East is left out. For which purpose, I'll let you find for yourself.

    3 out of 5 stars A Book on Moral Philosophy.......2006-01-24

    Professor Alasdair MacIntyre in "A Short History of Ethics" produced an interesting book covering the long history of moral philosophy. The author provides a historical background and perspective for studying the selected texts on moral philosophy.

    The book first provides the reader with an account of Greek thought and the philosophical basis of their thinking. The author then proceeds to discuss the history of philosophy to the present day. The reader is then able to appreciate the discussion of moral philosophy in the appropriate historical context.

    I enjoyed reading the book, although I would not classify it among the best books on the subject. The author seems to assume that the reader has some understanding of philosophy which would make it difficult for those without some understanding of the subject to follow his arguments. However, the book should be of value to people with an interest in moral philosophy.

    4 out of 5 stars A Short History of Ethics........2005-10-11

    A classic of MacIntyre, written from his Aristotelian point of view.

    1 out of 5 stars The mighty mountain gave birth to a little mouse. .......2005-03-25

    This is a deceptive book.
    It promises an outline of the history of Ethics "from the Homeric age to the Twentieth Century", that is, with a perspective wider than that usually limited to great "canonical" philosophers and oriented to a narrow readership.
    But the result is definitely disappointing.

    I really disliked this book, and cannot recommend it.
    Before posting this comment, I took time to read observations of other readers, to check if my impression was shared.
    Most of them complain about very poor style ("the book is poorly written" - Panjack), "poor structure" and "poor content" (J. de Lijster - "patchy historical survey" - Fiske), excessive focusing ("Beginners will find this a difficult book to work through" - Panjack), abuse of modern perspective to judge (and not to present in a impartial way) very different attitudes ("He frequently announces arguments that he does not work out, and he sets out lines that end in the mist" - J. de Lijster) and in the end excessive brevity ("He tries to cover too much ground too quickly" - Fiske) resulting in approximation and confusion.
    Given these remarks, it is amazing the average vote is still rather high, even taking account of the fame and respect that professor MacIntyre can command by the fame of his other works.

    This essay is flawed under all the aspects under which you can look at. If the style is gray and dull, and certainly not welcoming the reader, the argument has been developed very poorly.
    Besides I'm still perplexed at how could professor MacIntyre truly believed to be able to reduce about 3.000 years of history of Ethics in about 250 pages!

    The most annoying feature is the deceptiveness of the title: the historical and sociological framework is used only when it suits the author, and in a most conventional way. After being presented with a very ordinary opposition between an Homeric aristocratic attitude and the new more "democratic" posture of the V century b.C, the method is almost totally dropped to return to a dull diachronic presentation of great philosophers (great philosophers and not, alas, relevant themes).

    For an introduction to the history of Ethics, as a reader I'd expect to receive at least a definition of the relevant terms: religious precepts, morals, ethos, politics and ethics.
    But Mr. MacIntyre possibly believes that definition is a waste of time in a historical survey.

    If definition is not presented, likewise no attempt is done to explain why Ethical thinking has emerged for the first time in Greece as a distinct field of philosophical enquiry.

    We are spared as well the - historically relevant - analysis of the relationship (and conflict) between religious precepts (Abraham who is required by his God to kill his only son with no apparent reason), aristocratic ethos (the role of feud and honor), negative morality (the "You shall not..." in the Bible), positive moral precepts (the "Love thy neighbor" in the Gospel), politics as a kind of ethics (Plato and Aristotle, but also Socrates who submits to the unjust law that put him to death), political justice vs. religion in relevant moral issues (a theme developed in the Greek classical tragedy - specially in the Oresteia, but also in the Oedipus), the individual and social dimension in ethics (look at the debate on death penalty, for example - or the second amendment of the Constitution), the role of free will (the debate inside Christianity) and the role of man as moral agent and of man as man capable of deciding to act rightly - or to rebel authority.

    All these themes are best suited to be expounded with an historical perspective.
    But in this essay you cannot find anything of this.
    I finished reading the book with immense melancholy for what it could have been and is not.

    Besides, in a academic survey it could be interesting if the author could have taken account of relationship between ethics and other philosophical questions: not just Logics, but also lesser known fields, like the fascination for the geometric method in XVII Century (Hobbes reading Euclid, Spinoza's "Ethica more geometrico demonstrata", Leibniz's moral calculus, up to Franklin's aborted "Art of Virtue").

    Some remarks of the writer appear truly surprising.
    The so called notion of the "mean" in Aristotle was in fact a deep rooted theme in Greek culture and religiosity - and not just "the single most difficult concept in the Ethics" (at pag.65).

    In the end this book is a complete failure.
    It could give testimony of the all-human attempt to investigate on the themes of how to live a meaningful life, how to act responsibly and in the end learn how to confront the idea of death. Ethics, after all, is also the promethean attempt of man to disenfranchise from oracles, soothsayers and miracles; to reconsider human action in a pervasive all-human logical framework, and, in the end, to vindicate the importance of human dignity.
    But this book is a patchy collection of second hand ideas, scattered here and there in the usual chronological order.

    As everyone, I prefer posting positive remarks, but in this case it would not be fair to future readers.
    None the less as a non professional reader, I do share a passion for philosophy (specially ethics, logics and epistemology). In this particular field I can recommend the excellent
    - "Morality" by Bernard Gert, that is until now the best introduction to the argument I had the chance to read.
    You are truly welcome if you can suggest other readings or just share ideas and comments!
    Thanks for reading.

    3 out of 5 stars Serious shortcomings.......2003-11-08

    Professor MacIntyre's book is in some respects fine, in other respects terrible. The good thing is that he offers valuable insights and arguments for an historical approach to the analysis of moral judgments. He covers a large area, and has at times pointly summaries. The bad thing is that his text is poorly structured, and at times has a poor content. He frequently announces arguments that he does not work out, and he sets out lines that end in the mist. This fact is the more irritating, because, apart from a the chapter division, the lay-out completely lacks structure. Moreover, he seems rather biassed against (protestant) christian ethics, and tries to understand it apart from a notion so fundamental as creation. As a result, he misses the opportunity to understand both the revelational aspects of creation and the rational aspects of revelation. Not surprisingly, he cannot bridge the gap between rationality and revelation, and he ends up soon with an evaluation that is coloured by words like 'irrational', and 'arbitrary', leaving the reader with a seriously flawed picture of a important factor in contemporary ethics.
    Ethics and Politics: Selected Essays
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      Alasdair MacIntyre
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      Alasdair MacIntyre is one of the most creative and important philosophers working today. This volume presents a selection of his classic essays on ethics and politics collected together for the first time, focussing particularly on the themes of moral disagreement, moral dilemmas, and truthfulness and its importance. The essays range widely in scope, from Aristotle and Aquinas and what we need to learn from them, to our contemporary economic and social structures and the threat which they pose to the realization of the forms of ethical life. They will appeal to a wide range of readers across philosophy and especially in moral philosophy, political philosophy, and theology.
      Morality: The Catholic View
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      2 out of 5 stars Comments by a satisfied reader.......2007-02-03

      Scholarly and credible. Be ready to spend some time with this book, and have a dictionary handy if you are not familar with the philosophy and theology of morality.

      5 out of 5 stars Clarity for Morality.......2004-12-22

      Pinckaers very clearly and concisely shows that Christian morality is about fulfilling our longing for happiness, excellence, joy, and truth. The end is not merely to obey commandments but rather to obey commandments in order to be truly happy. The power to walk that path of obedience comes not from dry logic but from the gifts of the Holy Spirit that animate the virtues of a Christian. Most telling is Pinckaers' distinction between mere pleasure and joy as two radically different conceptions of happiness. Many of our life-changing moral decisions come down to the choice between transient, superficial pleasure that is illusory and ends in bitterness and even hatred, while true happiness is, in the words of Augustine, "joy born of the truth" (p. 77). Pinckaers describes the path of happiness that ends in lasting joy, not the path of mere pleasure ending in disappointment.

      4 out of 5 stars The Pursuit of Happiness.......2002-10-01

      This is an introductory text of unusual depth and breadth. Father Pinckaers' thesis is that since the 14th century moral philosophy and theology have posited human freedom as primary to human nature. From this premise have come a series of "moralities of obligation" in which freedom is seen as restricted by externally imposed moral rules. Almost by definition, such a model tends to disassociate happiness from morality.

      According to Pinckaers, a better, more classical, and more Thomistic approach is to consider human freedom as part of human nature, rooted in and ineradicably woven among our yearnings for the good, the beautiful, and the true. Thus the best use of our freedom is virtue, which is not only compatible with happiness but in its highest form (i.e., love) is the source of joy.

      Pinckaers' analysis of the fundamental flaw of modernist ethics is penetrating and, in my view, probably correct. The concept of human nature presented here is a high one, and may strike some as too exalted. But that's the point. Catholic morality looks to humanity as it was intended to be, and as it can be when redeemed by grace.

      4 out of 5 stars A brief but lucid presentation.......2002-08-27

      This tiny book is, apparently, a condensation of the author's more scholarly "The Sources of Christian Ethics". It is written at a level suitable for those with little or no philosophical background, though even the studied can benefit from his forthright discussion of some of the more difficult topics.

      The book is divided into two parts : a survey of the sources of Christian ethics, and a proposal for renewing our moral thought by a return to the classical and mediaeval models. Thus he discusses the sources for ethical reflection in the Gospels and the other New Testament documents (notably the Sermon on the Mount), then relates how these ideas were grafted onto the Greek philosophical tradition by the mediaevel thinkers. He dwells at (comparative) length on the structure of ethics as it was conceived by Thomas Aquinas in the 13th century; namely, morality is a search for human happiness and fulfillment. He then relates how this ancient ethical tradition was undermined in the late mediaeval period (it is William of Ockham who gets the lion's share of the blame), and how a new conception of Christian ethics as "ethics of obligation" came to dominate in the post-Reformation period. Finally, he discusses the impact of the Vatican II on Catholic moral reflection, in which he sees hope for a return to the ancient model.

      The second part of the book is a reflection on how ethics might be reconceived in the image of Aquinas' ethics. In particular, he argues that our notion of freedom has to be fundamentally changed if we are to refound moral thought, for the dominant notion of freedom in modern times - what he calls 'freedom of indifference' - is at the root of the chaotic state of morality in western society. In opposition to the prevalent idea of freedom as the ability to choose without bias between contraries, he advocates 'freedom for excellence', which is the ability to act with excellence in whatever one chooses. His discussion of this issue is the best and clearest that I have encountered.
      He goes on to a number of other topics, including the relationship of freedom and natural law, and the specifically Christian understanding of morals in relation to the Church and the work of the Holy Spirit.

      I recommend this book to anyone who is discouraged with the present cacophonous state of moral discourse in terms of restrictions, rebellion, and rights; to students of intellectual history who want to better understand the nature of the break modernity has made with the Greeks and mediaevals; to those who are curious about the Catholic view of morality. Readers of Alasdair MacIntyre (who contributes the introduction to this book) and Josef Pieper should find much to enjoy.
      Pragmatic Liberalism and the Critique of Modernity (Modern European Philosophy)
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        In this book Gary Gutting offers a powerful account of the nature of human reason in modern times. The fundamental question addressed by the book is what authority human reason can still claim once it is acknowledged that our fundamental metaphysical and religious pictures of the world no longer command allegiance. Gutting analyzes the work of three dominant philosophical voices in our time: Richard Rorty, Alasdair MacIntyre, and Charles Taylor. His own position is defined as "pragmatic liberalism." The book will appeal to readers in such fields as philosophy, literature, and political theory. The interpretations of Rorty, MacIntyre, and Taylor will make the book suitable as a coursebook for those teaching the history of modern philosophy.
        The Macintyre Reader
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        Alasdair C. MacIntyre , and Kelvin Knight
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        4 out of 5 stars Lucid Presentation of MacIntyre.......2000-08-05

        Kelvin Knight provides a concise, but adequate sample of MacIntyre's work. The articles contained in the text are sufficient for a novice of philosophy to gain a light grasp on MacIntyre's main points, especially concerning Machiavelli in response to Strauss's analysis of the topic. The articles collected, especially "The Claims of 'After Virtue'", contain a counterpoint to much of Strauss and Mansfield's work. This is very valuable considering the proliferation of the historian and his prodigy's opinions on the topic.
        A Short History of Ethics
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        A Short History of Ethics
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        5 out of 5 stars Indispensible Classic For Students of Moral Philosophy.......2004-02-27

        MacIntyre's now classic history of moral theory was written in the highly individualistic years of the mid-late sixties. Today, MacIntyre is regarded as one of the world's most significant moral philosophers, but when he wrote this book, few outside of the discipline had ever heard of him. No doubt, the book reflects MacIntyre's strong opinions, but they are well-considered, deeply thought, and generally well-argued. Further, the nature of the project keeps MacIntyre in the mainstream of his subject, and the book provides an extremely comprehensive and relatively concise (270 pages) survey of the peaks in the development of western moral theory (which, despite the many claims of post-modern pundits, is still at the heart of the philosophic project as a whole). A number of MacIntyre's arguments show a fascinating and appropriate application of Wittgenstein's ideas, which, at the time of this writing, still basked in the glow of the apotheosis they had undergone in the 1950's.

        MacIntyre is strong on the Greeks. His sections on Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle, and the development of Greek moral thought fill the first 100 pages. Socrates' basic teachings are examined, and while MacIntyre is a bit too materialistic to really "get" Plato, he details the main strokes well, in a fairly thorough discussion of The Republic. His examination of Aristotle's moral theory is enlightening, one of the best available in brief.
        The middle of the book deftly deals with the impact of Christian moral thought (see Max Weber for more), the development of early modernity (good on Hobbes; interesting on Spinoza), further developments in 18th century France and Britain (if you've ever wanted to know how the ideas of Locke, Mandeville, Shaftesbury, Hutchinson, Bishop Butler, Paley, Price, Reed, and Hume, et al. fit together in less than ten pages, look no further). Hume is discussed more deeply in other books of this sort (see Norman "The Moral Philosophers"). The discussion is followed by excellent summaries of Montesquieu and Rousseau. (For some reason Montaigne is ignored along with the rest of late 16th and early 17th century French thought).
        Then comes what, in my opinion, is the gem of the book, his analysis of Kant. The final claim in the chapter, that the arbitrary nature ("the logical emptiness") of Kant's categorical imperative ironically did far more than any other philosophic claims to prepare the German psyche to rationalize the acceptance of totalitarian National Socialism, albeit controversial, deserves careful perusal.
        The final third of the book includes informative sections on Hegel, Marx, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche (R. Soloman and K. Higgins are better in the brief style format on Nietzsche), Utilitarianism (R. Norman is stronger on Mill, but MacIntyre is sfficient) and ends about halfway through the 20th century, mostly discussing developments in British moral philosophy (Moore, et al). There's a few pages on Sarte (not nearly enough), Dewey, and less known figures such as Stevenson. All in all, better buy a seperate book which deals with this turbulant century all by itself. MacIntyre, however, provides enough of an intro.
        The book is excellent in showing the interrelation and development of the most stimulating ideas which have arisen in Europe over two-and a-half thousand years in regard to how we ought to live, how we do, and the whys and wherefores of most of what matters most in philosophy.

        5 out of 5 stars Fascinating and difficult.......2003-09-16

        Yes this book is difficult for a non-philosopher like myself. I found the initial chapter on Homeric values very interesting, but then got stranded when he discusses Plato: he assumes indirectly that the reader is familiar with the Gorgias and the Republic. So I didn't give up, and laid the book to the side for one year, and did a slow reading of both of those dialogues on an internet reading group. I then picked up the Short History, and continued: his account of Aristotle is crystal clear. Somewhat excessive detail on recent English philosophy perhaps. My next step, that I'm busy with now, is "After Virtue", much easier to read after having tackled his Short History, and that book is even more riveting and revolutionary.

        5 out of 5 stars Great for those with adequate background.......2003-02-04

        This is a reissue of a 1964 work. MacIntyre provides a new introduction that critically reviews what he sees as the strength and weaknesses of the book. The book itself, however, is unchanged from the 1964 text.

        Beginners will find this a difficult book to work through. MacIntyre presumes the reader has a basic understanding of the ideas and philosophers he discusses.

        But for those with adequate background this is a wonderful book, full of many insights. Be warned, though, this book is not a neutral review of the subject matter. In this book MacIntyre lays the groundwork for his own particular version of ethics (developed most fully in After Virtue).

        Much of the book is dense and part of it is, arguably, poorly written. But it is worth the work needed to get through it.

        2 out of 5 stars MacIntyre, Alasdair.......1999-05-14

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        2 out of 5 stars MacIntyre, Alasdair.......1999-05-14

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