Seneca

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    Letters from a Stoic (Penguin Classics)
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    5 out of 5 stars Stoicism - - a modern philosophy.......2006-02-26

    Stoicism has been much misunderstood, and the adjective "stoic," which loosely can be taken to mean bearing up under duress, is partly correct but does not do justice to one of the world's great philosophies. This Penguin volume presents a great selection from the letters of Seneca, which hits all the high points of the philosophy and captures Seneca's remarkable personality, which has made him a hit with the cognoscenti for 2,000 years. Few perhaps realize that the Stoics postulated a great commonwealth governed by law, or that they idealized democracy. Seneca mentions Solon the lawgiver as the creator of democracy and refers numerous times to the Roman Stoic saint, Cato, who strove mightily (and unsuccessfully) to preserve the Roman Republic.

    Seneca, like other Stoics, has a doctrine of nature that is remarkably close to that of Emerson or modern American environmentalists. The wise man (sapiens) will never be bored when contemplating the simple things of nature. The natural beauty of the countryside and the healthful action of the waves can have a calming effect (although there's a memorable passage in which a storm causes terrible sea sickness). He also believed in the simple and strenuous life and the avoidance of luxury and decadence, and there are numerous passages in these letters to his disciple, Lucilius, which decry the ostentatious, self indulgent practices of his contemporaries. These are sentiments and ideas adopted by many in the modern world, including President Theodore Roosevelt. Seneca has no patience for philosophy as a word game or a practice of engaging in hair-splitting arguments for their own sake. He rather sees it as a practice or way of life that all those who seek the good should investigate and adopt. While the Stoics believed in democracy and republicanism, their doctrine of freedom is different from the modern idea of Liberty. Freedom was the ability to endure and pursue the good even under tyranny. While that may be admirable, modern commentators on liberty (such as Isaiah Berlin) have pointed out that defining down the range of one's actions is not a satisfactory solution to the problem of the absence of liberty in society or the world.

    No stranger to power himself, Seneca virtually ruled Rome as tutor of the boy Nero--and yet he adopts a quite believable stance of simplicity and humility. It's a good bet these letters will still be found absorbing by readers for another 2,000 years.

    5 out of 5 stars A Secular Bible for the 21st Century.......2004-11-18

    Seneca's one hundred and twenty four letters to Lucilius constitute a secular bible, an ethical catechism written in a gnomic and epigrammatic style that sparkles as it enlightens. So impressed were the early church fathers with Seneca's moral insights that they advanced (fabricated?) the speculation that he must have come within the influence of Christian teachings. T.S. Eliot sneers at Seneca's boyish, commonplace wisdom and points out that the resemblances between Seneca's 'stoic philosophy' and Christianity are superficial. For those seeking a practical, modern manual on how to do good and how to do well, written in the 'silver point' style that values brevity, concision and memorable expression, Seneca's letters are indeed the Good Book.

    5 out of 5 stars For Christians as well........2004-07-12

    Stoicism is a great learning tool in helping to understand the early Christian Church. Scholars say that it was the 'bridge' that allowed a smoother transition between Paganism and Christianity during the time of the Roman Empire.

    Of course, there are some elements in Stoicism that are not compatible with Christian teachings. The way I got around this was by putting 'post-it notes' on four of the letters, that mentions ending your life short, so that I know which ones to skip as I read this most eloquent book over and over again. The remaining 40+ letters are great, and I don't find much that is nefarious about them.

    The book also mentions about a relationship between St.Paul and Seneca, and although many moderns think it never happened, that doesn't mean it didn't happen. In Philippians 4:22, it says this: "All the saints send you greetings, especially those that belong to Caesar's household." (NIV) This letter was written during the time that St.Peter was in Rome, between 44 AD and 64-67 AD. If anyone says that 'Caesar's Household' had nothing to do with a great lecturer and tutor on ethics like 'Lucius Seneca the younger', than they are mad. People just do not want to believe in such a relationship because they hate the legacy of Christianity. Notice that I didn't even mention the letters between them that historians say came to light in the 3rd century AD. Petrach, I think, re-discovered Cicero's 900 letters around the time of the 'Humanist' movement (1345), so why couldn't a great fire in Rome and the horrible persecution of many countless Christians bring those letters into hiding until the 3rd century? Plus, Seneca, in his 41st letter to Lucilius, talks about the 'Holy Spirit', which Robin Campbell failed to translate accurately (although the rest of his translation is superb)but can be found in the Loeb Classical Library version of Seneca's letters.

    When all is said and done, I have to say that this is a great book for all peoples and shouldn't be considered one book for any one particular group of persons. To improve yourself in ethics or eloquence, this book is a great tool.

    5 out of 5 stars Secular wisdom for today.......2003-03-26

    Freethinkers, Deists, Humanists and others who have thrown off the yoke of theism & dogma will find much food for thought here. Especially new freethinkers who are still being warned by well intentioned "true believers" that an ethical, moral life is only possible with a personal deity. Lookng back to the classical pagan world of stoicism, we find Seneca, a philosopher that continues to illuminate the world with insights into conducting ones life according to reason and the affirmation to all that life has to offer without resorting to false piety and religious apologetics. These are views from the real world.
    Of interest to anyone examining the classical world of ancient Rome will discover, the intellectuals of the time possessed both a religion and a philosophy to guide their lives. Religion was merely the outward exoteric public display of sentiment (much like our calendar holidays today) and then there was your philosophy, the inner esoteric moral compass that guided deep seated morality and ethical choices. Which can result in a well lived life of fullfillment & happiness. Qualities all too often absent from modern life. Especially for those still trying to juggle and make sense of repressive monotheisms. Read Seneca & celebrate life's rich offerings.

    4 out of 5 stars Sometimes, yes...sometimes, no..........2002-04-04

    That title perhaps sounds like "hot" and "cold" running
    Seneca -- but it is rather a personal guide to how I believe
    one should approach Seneca and his advice in these "Moral
    Letters."
    My own interest in wanting to know more about him and to
    read about him came from two sources -- one of them was
    the several mentions of him by Herman Melville in his
    works -- and the other was the suggestion in the Oxford
    World's Classics edition of Petronius' SATYRICON that
    Trimalchio and those of his sort as depicted by Petronius
    might be based on the types of individuals pointed out
    by Seneca in his letters (p. xxix).
    In the first chapter of MOBY-DICK, Ishmael (the narrator)
    talks about how he goes to sea -- and how he is able to
    bear it. He says: "No, when I go to sea, I go as a simple
    sailor, right before the mast, plumb down into the fore-
    castle, aloft there to the royal mast-head. True, they
    rather order me about some, and make me jump from spar to
    spar, like a grasshopper in a May meadow. And, at first
    this sort of thing is unpleasant enough. It touches one's
    sense of honor.... The transition is a keen one, I assure
    you, from a schoolmaster to a sailor, and requires a strong
    decoction of Seneca and the Stoics to enable you to grin
    and bear it. But even this wears off in time."
    According to the Introduction in this edition by Penguin
    Classics (translated and with an Introduction by Robin
    Campbell), there were 124 letters written to Lucilius
    Junior, "a native of Pompeii, a hard-working higher civil
    servant (procurator in Sicily at the time) who appears to
    have dabbled in literature and philosophy." (p. 12)
    There appear to be 42 of the letters included in this
    edition. The negative, here, is that the letters are
    numbered with Roman numerals, and there is no subtitle or
    parenthetical information before the letters to tell what
    the subject matter is. One has to "know" the letters by
    tradition and familiarity in order to know which number to
    go to in order to find Seneca's views and advice on certain
    topics.
    The translator (Robin Campbell) gives his justification
    for the selection of the particular letters in his
    "Introduction." He says, "It may be asked what criteria
    have been applied in deciding which letters should be
    included or omitted. The first has been their interest --
    as they set out a philosophy and contribute to a picture
    of a man and of his time. The second has been the avoidance
    of undue repetition of particular themes or topics of a
    moralist who tends towards repetitiveness." (p.28)
    The exasperation with Seneca comes with his dual
    nature -- he is both "social man," and "thinking (principled)
    man." And occasionally he recognizes that those two things
    may be in conflict, and may be cause for making choices --
    but he also tries to be "practical" in his view of man's
    being also a social being, and thus having to have contact
    and social interaction with others of his species. Sometimes
    his advice on this latter course seems temporizing, tedious,
    and questionable. Here is the Seneca who is the temporizer,
    the go-along-to-get-along dissembler. He quite rightly tells
    his reader not to merely ape the outward disdain of
    conventional dress and manners simply to get attention, trying
    to convince others of his "better" nature. Perhaps he should
    have stopped here, and told his reader that reform of the
    self was what he should aim at -- but there seemed to be
    the tutor or teacher in Seneca, so he seemed prone to think
    he had a mission to reform others as well. "The very name
    of philosophy, however modest the manner in which it is
    pursued, is unpopular enough as it is: imagine what the
    reaction would be if we started dissociating ourselves
    from the conventions of society. Inwardly everything
    should be different, but our outward face should conform
    with the crowd [unh-hunh; strangely this does not synch
    with what he says later about how one's individual
    attitudes and values can be warped and worsened by
    mere association of time with the crowd and its
    amusements!]. * * * Let our aim be a way of life not
    diametrically opposed to, but better than that of the
    mob. Otherwise we shall repel and alienate the very
    people whose reform we desire; we shall make them,
    moreover, reluctant to imitate us in anything for fear
    they may have to imitate us in everything. The first
    thing philosophy promises us is the feeling of fellow-
    ship, of belonging to mankind and being members of a
    community; being different will mean the abandoning of
    that manifesto." [Letter V, p. 37.] It is no wonder
    that Melville moved away from Seneca after MOBY-DICK,
    especially after the crowd (the reading public and the
    critics) had rejected him. There was too much of
    the alienated, wounded, grieving loner in Melville,
    anyway, to feel totally comfortable with someone like
    Seneca and his moral/worldly dichotomy.
    The letters that appealed the most to me were the
    ones concerning "reading" and "the effect of crowds."
    Here is some of Seneca's advice on reading: "You should
    be extending your stay among writers whose genius is
    unquestionable, deriving constant nourishment from them
    if you wish to gain anything from your reading that will
    find a lasting place in your mind. To be everywhere is
    to be nowhere. People who spend their whole life travelling
    abroad end up having plenty of places where they can find
    hospitality but no real friendships. The same must needs
    be the case with people who never set about acquiring
    an intimate acquaintanceship with any one great writer,
    but skip from one to another, paying flying visits to
    them all." [Letter II, p. 33]
    And here is his observation about the effect of
    "going along with the crowd." "Associating with people in
    large numbers is actually harmful: there is not one of
    them that will not make some vice or other attractive
    to us, or leave us carrying the imprint of it or bedaubed
    all unawares with it. * * * But nothing is as ruinous
    to the character as sitting away one's time at a show --
    for it is then, through the medium of entertainment, that
    vices creep into one with more than usual ease. What do
    you take me to mean? That I go home more selfish, more
    self-seeking, and more self-indulgent? Yes, and what is
    more, a person crueller and less humane through having
    been in contanct with human beings. * * * When a mind is
    impressionalbe and has none too firm a hold on what is
    right, it must be rescued from the crowd: it is so easy
    for it to go over to the majority. * * * such is the
    measure of the inability of any of us, even as we perfect
    our personality's adjustment, to withstand the onset of
    vices when they come with such a mighty following."
    [Letter VII, pp. 41-42.]
    Read for yourself -- decide for youself how large or
    small a "decoction of Seneca" is salutary for the soul --
    or not.
    Four Tragedies and Octavia (Penguin Classics)
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    5 out of 5 stars Forget what you know about classical tragedy..........2002-08-29

    And forget what you know about Seneca the Stoic. In his tragedies, the younger Seneca gives full reign to what Nietzsche later (and perhaps unrelatedly) recognized as the Dionysian: lust, anger, revenge, and unadulerated humanity in its most elemental. Although some apprecition of classical mythology is needed to enter these texts fully, once you're in them, you look around, and find yourself in a house of horrors or else in the deepest region of the unconscious.

    Read _Thyestes_, and you'll have the underpinning for horror and suspense from Poe to Jim Thompson to the _Blair Witch Project_.

    You could take my word for it, or you could listen to Seneca's admirers and imitators: Webster, Jonson, Shakespeare...

    2 out of 5 stars Vulgar and unrestrained.......2000-04-04

    As we all know, classical rules of poetry dictate that no violence must be shown on stage, that the protagonist must be admirable except for one fatal flaw, that the declamation must be dignified and poetic. Seneca violates all of these rules, plus many others. His protagonists are nothing but shrieking hysterical fools, and the stage is awash in blood by the end of every play. As for the "poetry," it is nonexistent. Perhaps I just read a bad translation, but I still recommend that anyone who is seeking a Roman imitation of Sophocles or Aeschylus to forgo Seneca.
    On the Shortness of Life (Penguin Great Ideas)
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    4 out of 5 stars The Remedy for a Mid-Life Crisis.......2006-06-26

    For my mother's fifty-fifth birthday, I gave her a copy of this book. Even I, at sixteen, was completely changed by Seneca's powerful and timeless ideals in this book- these are essays for all ages, all eras, all people. Although Seneca wrote in the beginning of the "common era," his description of a world where people search fruitlessly for happiness through materialism and waiting for the future rings truer than ever in our postmodern age. His ideas for remedying our distress, through accepting each minute of life as it comes and concentrating completely on our present task, are no less than transforming.

    5 out of 5 stars "Life is what happens to you when you're busy making other plans.".......2006-03-22

    So it is, Seneca observes, it's not that we are not given a short life, but that we waste a lot it. Life is long if you know how to use it. How stupid to forget our mortality. "Live immediately." Perhaps better known for his tragedy OEDIPUS, Seneca (Lucius Annaeus) (AD 4-65) was also a Stoic philosopher. His reputation as a philosopher is derived primarily from his twelve books of MORAL ESSAYS and philosophical letters. The Stoics emphasized the importance of self-sufficiency and equanimity in the face of adversity, and believed that virtue is attainable only by living in harmony with nature. Although he may not rank with Plato or Aristotle as a philosopher, or with Marcus Aurelius (121-180) (MEDITATIONS) or Epictetus as a Stoic sage, Seneca nevertheless offers us timeless wisdom for living a meaningful life. (It should be noted that this review refers to the 2005 Penguin Great Ideas edition of ON THE SHORTNESS OF LIFE, translated by C. D. N. Costa, which includes the three essays, "On the Shortness of Life," "Consolation to Helvia," and "On Tranquility of Mind.")

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    3 out of 5 stars On The Shortness of Life.......2006-01-29

    If you are looking for fast light reading this is not it. Seneca reiterates the same theme many times in different ways. It is worth reading on the premise you are having the "mid life crisis". It will give light to the things that are important in life. Of course we are not all wealthy, living in Rome AD which makes a big diference. Still the question of are you waiting till you are old and grey to live you life for your self is illuminating!

    5 out of 5 stars "Never have I trusted Fortune...".......2005-11-21

    Seneca's brand of Stoicism emphasized the philosophy by which his reader might face life's setbacks. In particular he considered it important to confront the fact of one's own mortality. The discussion of how to approach death dominates this book, which is a series of letters to relatives and friends. Seneca himself was ordered to commit suicide by the Emperor Nero, and did so in A.D. 65.

    This book also elucidates the author's pet peeves, many of which sound quite modern:

    * Men who comb their few strands of hair forward in an effort to hide their baldness
    * Historians who memorize obscure dates and battles in an effort to appear knowledgeable
    * Collectors and hobbyists of any sort
    * Sports fans (men who sit at "a wrestling ring...keenly following the bouts between boys")
    * Men who pretend they're younger than they are
    * Lunatic poets who prose on about love
    * The current mode of dance (mincing and wriggling)

    There is very little talk about love or mitigating the pain of death through love. In fact, Seneca recommends that we detach ourselves from strenuous goal-seeking, repeated indulgence in sport and play, or overindulgence in anything.

    Everything in moderation.

    Yet his wife did commit suicide with Seneca. Was that out of love or fear?

    This small book (106 pages) gives its reader a window into the life and customs of the Roman Empire as seen through the clear gaze of one of its eminent philosophers.

    5 out of 5 stars great presentation.......2005-09-24

    I disagree with the former reviewer that this is not a wise purchase. These texts are available online if you know how to find them, so part of buying a book these days is the having of a crafted object upon which to enjoy that text. In this regard, this 100 page book has the title nicely embossed into it's paper cover and its art is simple, classic. The paper inside is an off white that has obviously been carefully chosen. Best of all, the type is very crisp and clear and easy to read. When I buy a book I am most concerned with the quality of the type because, in my opinion, muddy text is distracting.

    I would agree that it is not a definitive reference, but I enjoy soaking in a few gems from many writers on many subjects, and for this reason I am glad that these little great ideas books are being published.

    I have not seen the other volume that was aforementioned by the previous reviewer and therefore cannot compare its qualities.
    Seneca: Moral and Political Essays (Cambridge Texts in the History of Political Thought)
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    This volume offers new translations of the most important of Seneca's "Moral Essays": On Anger, On Mercy, On the Private Life, and the first four books of On Favours. They give a full picture of the social and moral outlook of an ancient Stoic thinker. A General Introduction describes Seneca's life and career and explains the fundamental ideas underlying the Stoic moral, social and political philosophy in the essays. Individual introductions, footnotes and biographical notes explain their historical and philosophical contexts.

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    This volume offers new translations of the most important of Seneca's "Moral Essays": On Anger, On Mercy, On the Private Life, and the first four books of On Favours. They give a full picture of the social and moral outlook of an ancient Stoic thinker. A General Introduction describes Seneca's life and career and explains the fundamental ideas underlying the Stoic moral, social and political philosophy in the essays. Individual introductions, footnotes and biographical notes explain their historical and philosophical contexts.

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    5 out of 5 stars Was this the book that was referred to in the play "ART"?.......1999-03-26

    My friends and I saw the play "ART" in Los Angeles, with Alan Alda and two other very fine actors. The book Seneca was mentioned. The play was about a man buying a white on white painting and the relationship thereafter with his two friends.
    The Satyricon (Meridian Classics)
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    5 out of 5 stars A Burlesque Satire.......2005-03-02

    Petronius' Satyricon is a unique satire on decadence and pleasure. Although the story takes place during Nero's reign, one begins to see that many of the scenes have relevance to today's society and its own debaucheries.

    The story follows the adventures of Aschyltus and Encolpio; two rhetoricians who are on an infinite quest for pleasure. Their frienship is challenged by their mutual attraction to Giton, a scoundrelous slave-boy who seems to have more wits and vices than all of the other characters. This triad of debauches is also joined by Emolpus, a trickster and pseudo-intellectual who's always scheming on how he can use his sophistry to hit the jack pot. The most memorable scene in the fragmentary work is Trimalchio's dinner; this chapter surprisingly brings the ancient past closer to modern times in its recital of the characters' casual conversations on money, opportunism, business, and, of course, pleasure.

    Although some readers have complained that Arrowsmith's translation isn't faithful to some of the Latin terms, the truth is (as is the case with any other foreign works) that some of the words don't have a counterpart in the English language (or any other modern language.) It is therefore the duty of the translator to use his poetic licence in conjuring the best phrase or sentence that can convey the theme or jist of the statement in question. I personally found this translation the most faithful in trying to convey the type of low-brow humor and puns that Petronius seems to have intended in his work. I strongly recommend this translation above other for that reason.

    5 out of 5 stars The arbiter of style and a certain dork genius........2005-01-14

    First of all the title. Do not be tempted to believe it comes from the word "satura", meaning medley. Very little of the book survives and no one is in the position to state that the book is a medley of stories. Certainly, if any inferences can be made, they would point the reader in the opposite direction since the story, as we have it so far, follows Encolpius, Ascyltos and Giton throughout. The title is more likely a reference to Satyr tales, a form of early entertainment. This makes a lot more sense, especially when one realizes that Satyrs usually accompanied Dionysus, the god of wine and all around party animal. If you remember that satyrs generally represent the untamed and orgiastic lust for life the book will start to make a lot more sense.

    The Satyricon was written in...I guess early late antiquity? (60 AD or so) and apparently very little of it survives intact but the one part that has done so is the one that describes dinner at Trimalchio's house, a dinner which finds some of our protagonists guests at a feast. There is a very good essay on this piece in Erich Aurebach's "Mimesis" entitled "Fortunata" and the serious reader is encouraged to read it :)

    The subtitle of "Mimesis" is "The Representation of Reality in Western Literature" and Auerbach picked Petronius' work precisely because the arbiter of style was uncommonly well tuned to the way everyday people acted and talked. Think of him, if you will, as an early Mark Twain or Ricky Gervais and you won't be too far off the mark.

    There are numerous reviews of The Satyricon on amazon.com and the majority of them do a perfectly good job of encapsulating the story for you so I won't bother with that job. Instead, I will deal with a certain "Dark Genius" who wrote a horrendous review of this book.

    First of all, he refers to Petronius as "Polonius". That's crime numero uno. Second of all, he "was troubled by the translator's numerous admissions at having sacrificed the original Latin for today's English". Even donkey handlers might imagine that certain terms are completely impossible to translate but apparently "Dork Genius" does not. That's crime number two.

    He further complains that "The largest whole section describes a banquet held by a rich former slave; the incredible ostentatiousness of the proceedings is matched only by its overtly perverse sexual nature. This text eventually overwhelmed my desire to interpret it as a product of its age. While the jokes are not funny and the satire is too obscure for my true understanding and doubtful appreciation, the constant dirty jokes and sexual references quite sabotaged the story for me."

    Good God, there are so many idiotic comments in that paragraph that one might devote voluminous tomes towards dealing with them. "Perverse sexual nature"? Perhaps "Dork Genius" should put down his copy of "George Bush's Faith" (yes he reviewed it and gave it 5 stars) and move beyond a Christian reading of a non Christian work. If the satire is too obscure why is his appreciation for it in doubt? My suggestion would be if it's too obscure, a book on Petronius or Nero would've enlightened him but he's been busy reading Ann Coulter and reviewing her "book" to the tune of 5 stars instead.

    Lastly, and this is only because I grow tired of wasting time on this "Dark Genius", the careful reader would have noticed a couple of things right off the bat: When one sees the name of the work, Satyricon, one hopefully realizes that they'll be reading something not at all serious and probably suggestive or sexual in nature. "Dark Genius" does not and as a result breaks Petronius' rule which warns that prudes need not apply as critics.

    On the other hand when one comes across a review in which Stephen King's "The Stand" is compared to "The Iliad" and "The Odyssey" (yes, "dork genius" actually does this) one should expect an unprecedented amount of stupidity. But what else can one expect from a person who gives "The Ultimate Ric Flair Collection" a five star review and Petronius' Satyricon a two star review? The end of the world perhaps?

    2 out of 5 stars Just because it's ancient doesn't mean it's any good.......2002-07-14

    Having run across this singular work for the first time, I imagined that it would be as funny as the jacket described and less raunchy than I expected. I was completely wrong. In fairness to the text, it is woefully incomplete, consisting mainly of fragments from some of its later volumes. Some call this the first novel, and it must have been incredibly lengthy in its original state. What we have today is the story of a unwholesome youth who obsesses in his love for his homosexual lover Giton but engages in general ribaldry with all sorts of men (and sometimes even women). At some point in the tale, he is cursed with impotence (although the story never describes conditions of this type in any sort of subdued language) and bewails his constant state of bad luck and persecution while seeking a cure for his condition. Because even this existing text is fragmented, the story is sometimes hard to follow due to gaping holes in the narrative. The largest whole section describes a banquet held by a rich former slave; the incredible ostentatiousness of the proceedings is matched only by its overtly perverse sexual nature. This text eventually overwhelmed my desire to interpret it as a product of its age. While the jokes are not funny and the satire is too obscure for my true understanding and doubtful appreciation, the constant dirty jokes and sexual references quite sabotaged the story for me.

    I was troubled by the translator's numerous admissions at having sacrificed the original Latin for today's English. While I understand his desire to make the work readable and understandable to a modern audience, I would much prefer to have a more literal translation--if for no other reason than to know whether the juvenile references contained herein date back to Polonius or to the modern translator. While Rome itself can certainly not be judged by one satirical work, this book does succeed in casting a shadow of immorality on the ancient Romans. I really cannot recommend this book. Even those seeking prurient pleasures and nothing else will be disappointed.

    4 out of 5 stars Do we really understand it?.......2002-03-13

    We're talking of a fragmentary text of a "novel" that's been written almost 2000 years ago. Are we sure we understand it correctly? We know the vulgarity and the flashy mawkishness of Trimalchio... what if for the sensibility of the era it was somewhat amended by religious piety? Is Giton a mere toyboy or a cynical example of opportunistic selfishness? Is Encolpion an image of just punishment for luxury or a hopeless lover? And Eumolpus... obnoxius bad poet, reckless trickster,heredity chaser(a common theme, compare Horatius and Lucian) what of him? Maybe,at the end, Petronius identified whit him, who lived every day of its life as if it's been the last.

    4 out of 5 stars Do we really understand it?.......2002-03-13

    We're talking of a fragmentary text of a "novel" that's been written almost 2000 years ago. Are we sure we understand it correctly? We know the vulgarity and the flashy mawkishness of Trimalchio... what if for the sensibility of the era it was somewhat amended by religious piety? Is Giton a mere toyboy or a cynical example of opportunistic selfishness? Is Encolpion an image of just punishment for luxury or a hopeless lover? And Eumolpus... obnoxius bad poet, reckless trickster,heredity chaser(a common theme, compare Horatius and Lucian) what of him? Maybe,at the end, Petronius identified whit him, who lived every day of its life as if it's been the last.
    Epistles 1-65 (Loeb Classical Library®)
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    Seneca, Lucius Annaeus, born at Corduba (Cordova) ca. 4 BC, of a prominent and wealthy family, spent an ailing childhood and youth at Rome in an aunt's care. He became famous in rhetoric, philosophy, money-making, and imperial service. After some disgrace during Claudius' reign he became tutor and then, in AD 54, advising minister to Nero, some of whose worst misdeeds he did not prevent. Involved (innocently?) in a conspiracy, he killed himself by order in 65. Wealthy, he preached indifference to wealth; evader of pain and death, he preached scorn of both; and there were other contrasts between practice and principle.</p>

    We have Seneca's philosophical or moral essays (ten of them traditionally called Dialogues)—on providence, steadfastness, the happy life, anger, leisure, tranquility, the brevity of life, gift-giving, forgiveness—and treatises on natural phenomena. Also extant are 124 epistles, in which he writes in a relaxed style about moral and ethical questions, relating them to personal experiences; a skit on the official deification of Claudius, Apocolocyntosis (in Loeb number 15); and nine rhetorical tragedies on ancient Greek themes. Many epistles and all his speeches are lost.</p>

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    5 out of 5 stars excellent.......2006-11-15

    In this series of letters to a friend, Seneca discusses his philosophy of life, which seems quite realistic and uplifting to me (your mileage may vary). He often quotes Epicurus, sometimes to agree with him, sometimes to disparage him. In addition to the philosophy there are also many glimpses of everyday life and occasional bits of wry humor. The English translation flows well and reveals the depth and wit of the original text.

    5 out of 5 stars A Secular Bible for the 21st Century.......2003-12-10

    Seneca's one hundred and twenty four letters to Lucilius constitute a secular bible, an ethical catechism written in a gnomic and epigrammatic style that sparkles as it enlightens. So impressed were the early church fathers with Seneca's moral insights that they advanced (fabricated?) the speculation that he must have come within the influence of Christian teachings. T.S. Eliot sneers at Seneca's boyish, commonplace wisdom and points out that the resemblances between Seneca's 'stoic philosophy' and Christianity are superficial. For those seeking a practical, modern manual on how to do good and how to do well, written in the 'silver point' style that values brevity, concision and memorable expression, Seneca's letters are indeed the Good Book.
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    "The language in these translations [is] as fresh and gleaming as blood just spilled."--Eleanor Wilner.

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    3 out of 5 stars Good, but often more adaptation than translation.......1999-10-18

    The "translations" in this two volume set aim at capturing the flavor of Seneca in roughly the same number of lines of poetry (most translations are longer than the originals, expanding upon the compacted Latin for the sake of literalness). These are good reading, and do capture something of the power of Senecan tragedy. But teachers should beware that they are often interpretive adaptations rather than literal translations. Ideas are often added to clarify the translators' sense of what a speech is about, for example. These occasionally obtrusive choices make these texts less than optimal for certain kinds of classroom teaching.
    Stoic Philosophy of Seneca Essays and Letters
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    5 out of 5 stars goldstars for ancient thought carried to modern times.......2006-11-10

    This text is good for those who love to think and ponder the greater things in life. A must have for aspiering philosophers!!It's !Wit and wisdom is needed in a cold and calous age

    1 out of 5 stars Unreadable bore.......2006-09-07

    I have a moderate interest in philosophy, and watched that recent show on PBS called Consolations of Philosophy, with some interest. Based on de Botton's interpretation of Seneca, I bought this book. I found it absolutely unreadable and boring. Furthermore, it does NOT contain De Irae/On Anger. I can't imagine anyone benefiting from reading this book, or enjoying it.

    5 out of 5 stars Wisdom of the Ages.......2006-07-21

    Even though this book was written over two thousand years ago, there is so much wisdom that is appropriate today.

    I must be honest and tell you that it is not an easy read. Writers of that age did not believe in simple sentence structure. And unless you are a student of ancient history, there are lots of references whom you will not know. However the value is so great that I recommend you spend the time and effort and learn from a great thinker.

    Thankfully we have moved to a democratic form of government. The rulers of that day generally ruled by brute force, eliminating those who opposed them. A large part of his writings were to teach people how to deal with the problems of the day.

    While our problems are different in name, the underlying principles for dealing with them have not changed. We have learned more about the mind and how it works, so his discourse on the mind is a little dated.

    Some examples of his insight:

    "It is not that we have so little time but that we lose (waste) so much."

    "Many people, I imagine could attain wisdom if they were not convinced they already had it, ..."

    "...we are tormented alike by the future and the past. Our superiority brings us much distress; memory recalls the torment of fear, foresight anticipates it. No one confines his misery to the present."

    His lessons are still very valuable today.

    5 out of 5 stars The Good Book.......2004-11-18

    Seneca's one hundred and twenty four letters to Lucilius constitute a secular bible, an ethical catechism written in a gnomic and epigrammatic style that sparkles as it enlightens. So impressed were the early church fathers with Seneca's moral insights that they advanced (fabricated?) the speculation that he must have come within the influence of Christian teachings. T.S. Eliot sneers at Seneca's boyish, commonplace wisdom and points out that the resemblances between Seneca's 'stoic philosophy' and Christianity are superficial. For those seeking a practical, modern manual on how to do good and how to do well, written in the 'silver point' style that values brevity, concision and memorable expression, Seneca's letters are indeed the Good Book.

    5 out of 5 stars As good a book on Stoicism as is out there.......1999-10-15

    I read this book while in graduate school (when I was suppose to be reading something else of course), and it had a profound effect on me. There are many legends in Stoicism but there are few tangible works, ones that one can imbibe and feel atleast a little filled--other than Marcus Aurelius. This book gives not so much a systematic look at the philosophy but it does have that density and practicality and intimacy, which is so rare. It is interesting and more illuminating than any other book on the topic that I have come across, including the other greats: Epictetus, Aurelius.
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    Seneca, Lucius Annaeus, born at Corduba (Cordova) ca. 4 BC, of a prominent and wealthy family, spent an ailing childhood and youth at Rome in an aunt's care. He became famous in rhetoric, philosophy, money-making, and imperial service. After some disgrace during Claudius' reign he became tutor and then, in AD 54, advising minister to Nero, some of whose worst misdeeds he did not prevent. Involved (innocently?) in a conspiracy, he killed himself by order in 65. Wealthy, he preached indifference to wealth; evader of pain and death, he preached scorn of both; and there were other contrasts between practice and principle.</p>

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    His moral essays are collected in Volumes I-III of the Loeb Classical Library's ten-volume edition of Seneca.</p>

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    3 out of 5 stars A Primer for Later Philosophic Finishes.......2004-05-10

    The surviving corpus of Seneca's Moral Essays are his earliest works, yet they contain many of his fully developed Stoic ideals. All the essays are generally short, with the exception of Seneca's treatise On Anger; and they are all moral exhortations written in a direct manner and in a style both convincing and charming. The contents of these Essays left their mark upon the writings of the Latin Church Fathers, of which many would have enjoyed seeing Seneca sainted; and they preceded the later burst of Plutarch's voluminous corpus of Moral Essays by just over a century and probably provided the great writer with an excellent model despite the disparity of language with Seneca. In this first volume the treatises included are (1) On Providence (2) On Firmness (3) On Anger (4) and On Mercy, which is addressed to the emperor Nero. These volumes are an important source for Roman Stoicism and they are recommended for students as a primer for the later philosophic finishes that they are destined to face.

    4 out of 5 stars De Providentia.......2003-02-04

    I am a little surprised that most of these Loeb Classical Library books do not have reviews written about them. I have a few of them and will try to write a few reviews so potential buyers know a little more about these classic works. I originally purchased this particular volume to help me with my Latin classes in college. The red Loeb volumes are Latin and the green volumes are Greek. The english translation is on the right page and the original text is on the left which makes these volumes perfect for anyone studying the languages. A little about this book.... Seneca was a philosopher of the stoic school and wrote several books on his worldview. These moral essays are a combination of his thoughts and ideas written as a letter to his friend Lucilius. They include On Providence, On Firmness, On Anger, and On Mercy. They were most likely written for the emperor Nero who Seneca tutored and ended up becoming one of his closest advisors and some argue he actually ran the empire for awhile. Nero eventually turned on him and Seneca was forced to commit suicide in 65 CE. There are not many books on stoicism and even less on Seneca. One very good volume is Roman Stoicism by E.V. Arnold. Long out of print, but you still may be able to find it somewhere. Another good one is Seneca: The Life of a Stoic by Paul Veyne; this is really the best biography of Seneca. Both very good books if you want to learn more.

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